John Cale's Unending Quest for Discomfort

John Cale, a legendary musician and founding member of The Velvet Underground, continues to create and collaborate on new music at the age of 81. His most recent album, "Mercy," features collaborations with artists such as Weyes Blood, Sylvan Esso, and Animal Collective. Cale discusses his approach to working with these artists and his admiration for hip-hop as the avant-garde of today. He emphasizes the importance of pushing past musical precedents and embracing discomfort to find creative solutions.